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1. madzyzome Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   No fuckstick I don’t!

   Tool.

2. Meskiagkasher Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   Yes. Do you know what education means?

3. madzyzome Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   Do you know what sarcasm means?

4. Meskiagkasher Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   i am not natively speaking, reading, or writing english. why do i know how to spell and you do not?
   i tell you why. because i know what the words mean that i use.

5. madzyzome Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   Thank you! I needed you to point out the difference to me between decent and descent. It was something my small mind couldn’t grasp after the first time you corrected me, but your elaboration has shown me the light and now i can bask in the glory that is Meskiagkasher!!!

6. Meskiagkasher Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   no, but decent is something else. it’s even pronounced differently.
   someone may be a decent person irrespective of descent.

7. madzyzome Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   Are you the grammar police?

8. narupiece Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   evolution is plane evil. i know if i was in charge of thy world i’l mix the poor with the rich and kill people when it feel okay to.

9. Meskiagkasher Says:
   July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

   deScent

10. madzyzome Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I told you, your post was confusing and I did read the whole thing.

11. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Like I said, helpful to read the *complete* thread before commenting on someone’s post.

12. madzyzome Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Well you made no mention of common decent. Actually you kind of confabulated the word evolution. There are many definitions of it. I suspect you mean the scientific theory of biological evolution? In the scientific theory of biological evolution natural selection, mutation and genetic drift are the methods by which evolution occurs. All three are established facts.

13. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    It’s actually helpful to read the complete thread before commenting on someone’s post. But maybe that’s just me.

14. madzyzome Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Evolution (common decent, change over time) is a fact.

15. Meskiagkasher Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Right, mutation does not equal evolution. But
    Mutation + Natural Selection = Evolution.
    Mutation is random, natural selection is not.

16. BudgetAstronomer Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Evidently, yes.

17. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    BudgetAstronomer/Ed: I stand corrected. My apologies. It’s always a good day when you learn something new.

    melreynolds: It was pretty easy to verify most of what he said. The reason he “gives a shit” what people say on YouTube is that in at least one of his profiles he says:

    I would like to …
    help others learn

18. melreynolds61 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “I have a graduate degree in paleontology and additional grad studies in evolutionary biology”

    Yeah and I’m Prince of Wales. What a load of crap. If you REALLY had those credentials would you really give a shit what people say on YouTube?

19. BudgetAstronomer Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Mutation is NOT evolution. If the new version of a gene (an allele) spreads through the population over generations, that is evolution. The mutation itself is not evolution.
    As for my credentials, I have a graduate degree in paleontology and additional grad studies in evolutionary biology. And in fact I had lunch with Eugenie Scott and Brian Alters just last week.
    Where do you get your info?

20. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Hmmm. And what are alleles? Different versions of a given gene! When you have a different allele, you have different genetic material.

    And YES, changes to generic material/new DNA sequences (e.g. creation of new alleles) can be caused by radiation, posioning, changes in nutrients or replication errors. Those are ALL mutations and are ALL evolution.

    Sounds to me that you are simply cut-n-pasting from some web site and you really don’t understand the material.

21. BudgetAstronomer Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Mutation is mutation if caused by radiation, poisoning, or errors in meiosis or mitosis. Neither is considered evolution, only mutations. If the mutation were to increase in frequency in the population, that woud be evolution.
    My point is, that this type of change happens. That’s a fact. The mechanism by which this occurs is Natural Selection, which is the theory of evolution. And by “theory” I don’t mean supposition, I mean well tested and documented process accepted as the best explanation.

22. BudgetAstronomer Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Well, to be more specific, evolution is not change in genetic material either, that is mutation. Evolution is a change in the allele frequencies in a population over time. This may result in a visible change in the modal phenotype of that population over generations.

23. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    PT 2.
    For example, mutations (“change in genetic material”) caused by radiation is in no way “natural selection”. Changes in the genetic material caused by nutritional deficiencies is also not “natural selection”. However, both could be considered evolution. Although such changes to the genetic material are usually small, the cumulative effect may result in new species. That genetic material changes over time is a fact, evolution is a scientific theory.

24. jimmo42 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    ‘The “theory of evolution” is Natural selection’

    That’s not correct. Evolution is change in the **genetic material** of organisms from one generation to the next and NOT “change in living things over time”, otherwise aging would be “evolution”. Natural selection is the process which causes “helpful traits” to be retained as the organisms with that trait are more likely to reproduce. Natural select does NOT “describes the process by which the change (fact) has occurred.”

25. BudgetAstronomer Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Evolution is the change in living things over time. That this has happened is a fact. The “theory of evolution” is Natural selection, which describes the process by which the change (fact) has occurred.

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